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I'm far from an expert or anything but Y all the arguements? The way I see it the commercial stars are bringing people to trance. I live in England and I first heard stuff like Scooter, Ian Van Dahl and Lasgo. Then I got into the music and found stuff like Groove Coverage which gets slammed a lot but I really like it. I just found the song runaway and I love it. Yeah theres lots of music like it but if you think that that is the only trance some people hear then you cant really complain about it. I never heard about Groove Coverage till someone got hold of a mix CD with Moonlight Shadow on it. Then I found it online and learnt bout Groove Coverage. Then I was sent somewhere on the net and got hold of Runaway and its a really great song. The fact that its based on a template or something doesnt really matter when you've not heard anything else. You get bored of it, you move on. So why is it wrong for other people to like it when its new to them? I just don't think the music that you dont like should be classed as bad.
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| In my view - each to their own. I class a lot of commercial euro-trance as bad - that is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. But I won't have a go at other people or try to change their views if they do happen to like it.
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Don't have to convince me. I've got nothing against commerical electronic music of any genre and I think people are far too focused on whether a new track is "cheese" or not.
The only thing is, lots of it is crap.  Still, I don't hate it just because it is commerical.
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I don't mind Commercial Trance and Euro stuff as long as it is good sounding and bearable.
There are times when this kind of stuff is out of wack or too redundant sounding and I can't stand it.
But other than that I'm still a fan of Commercial EDM. 
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The commercial 'Trance' scene, I always find it a little irritating that it gets labeled Trance as I would slap it under the commercial dance hole, is for the new starters in the scene who will but just about any old crap with a thump in it.
Its music for the kids really. Im not a fan of today's commercial dance scene. I prefered the way it was back in the late 80's and early 90's, thats when I started to get into dance music. One thing that would help is 'proper' trance being made more available on the high street stores to give people Trance as it should be not euro poppy commercial dance labelled as Trance.
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Where I live, there is no such thing as "commercial trance." It just doesn't get played mainstream like it does in other countries. So, I don't mind a lot of it, just because of the fact that I never hear it. Plenty of it is crap, though. I'll usually download it and give it a few listens, and if I hate it, there's always the delete key.
Trance to me is like most other things. I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like. Evevryting deserves at least one listen.
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in my opinion, to get into trance music, to a start there is the commercial trance.thats how all of us started i guess and then left from the commercial stage and moved on deeper into pure trance, hard trance or what else...and then moved on even deeper genres of trance.i believe thats the way everyone started and in the end got to know what happens in trance.commercial for those who understand trance os now crap, but there are others who like it and its a matter of taste i guess.no need to argue then  but really,most of them or all of them are childish
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| Dexter wrote: | I'm far from an expert or anything but Y all the arguements? The way I see it the commercial stars are bringing people to trance. I live in England and I first heard stuff like Scooter, Ian Van Dahl and Lasgo. Then I got into the music and found stuff like Groove Coverage which gets slammed a lot but I really like it. I just found the song runaway and I love it. Yeah theres lots of music like it but if you think that that is the only trance some people hear then you cant really complain about it. I never heard about Groove Coverage till someone got hold of a mix CD with Moonlight Shadow on it. Then I found it online and learnt bout Groove Coverage. Then I was sent somewhere on the net and got hold of Runaway and its a really great song. The fact that its based on a template or something doesnt really matter when you've not heard anything else. You get bored of it, you move on. So why is it wrong for other people to like it when its new to them? I just don't think the music that you dont like should be classed as bad.
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The biggest problem with what you write is that you and many others as well think that the likes of Groove Coverage and Scooter make trance, something they don't! Grovve Coverage is faaaaaaaaar from producing any kind of trance related stuff, while Scooter have produced some euro/club related trance in the last couple of years. It's because of such artists that trance has got such a bad name, and I seriously hate cheesy dance/trance productions now, but I must admit that I did like quite much of it before I got into the classy tracks/artists! 
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| bounce wrote: | | Trance to me is like most other things. I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like. Evevryting deserves at least one listen. |
Very much true in a way but when the artist is Flip N Fill and the titles looks very similar to a classic 80's track you know you can save wasting your time giving it one listen.
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| davehart wrote: | | bounce wrote: | | Trance to me is like most other things. I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like. Evevryting deserves at least one listen. |
Very much true in a way but when the artist is Flip N Fill and the titles looks very similar to a classic 80's track you know you can save wasting your time giving it one listen. |
Haha, you're right about that. I can name more artists than Flip n Fill who've ruined their chances with me right from the get-go. There are always ones to avoid... I don't touch their tracks.  But they did get one chance.
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Personally I don't really like the commerical sound of what they label as Trance but at the end of the day everyone is entitled to listen to what they want. Ok so i admit at one time i was into Ian Van Dahl and the more commerical side but as time has gone on my tases have changed.
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i feel the reason i like alot of the commercial (hard) dance music i do is because it has a high simularity to happy hardcore...
alot of tunes, like
special d - come with me
scooter - logical song
rezonance q - sweetheart
... all contain the same type of energy and upliftingness that happy hardcore would and thats why i feel i like them so much, especialy when they are speed up a bit
dont get me wrong, alot of commercial cheesy dance is cr@p, but the songs that verge on the HARDER side of it, are good.
and lets not forget where all dance/trance music originated from... HARDCORE !!
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| Well at the minute I like Ian Van Dahl and such. The only decent music we get here in yorkshire really. Groove Coverage. Only had 2 of their songs and thats Runaway and Moonlight Shadow and I thought they were both great. Other than that I like Ocean Lab - Sattelite. Thats a really great song. But the comment about Groove Coverage not doing trance, I would really class Moonlight Shadow as trance. Have you heard it?
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| Dexter wrote: | | ...the comment about Groove Coverage not doing trance, I would really class Moonlight Shadow as traance. |
I think I agree with you there, mate.
| Cooler wrote: | | Grovve Coverage is faaaaaaaaar from producing any kind of trance related stuff |
I disagree. It sounds like euro-trance to me. Quite commercial but still trance nevertheless and euro-trance isn't actually THAT far from uplifting or hard, it's just diluted for the teeny boppers.
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| Quote: | | feel the reason i like alot of the commercial (hard) dance music i do is because it has a high simularity to happy hardcore... |
The difference is that Happy Hardcore was good
tho you do have a point cause many of the happy hardcore acts later started to do cheese.. like Starsplash 
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| Spherix wrote: | The difference is that Happy Hardcore was good
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.. dont you mean is good... the hardcore scene is alive and kicking over here..
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Thats what I've always classed it as. Uplifting more than anything. Satellite is a great example of uplifting trance if you ask me. My current playlist right now, got from CDs I've come across and this DJs disk I got hold of from Ikon is like this and looking at it I'd say there are some cheesey songs on it, I'll admit that one but tis still pretty good I think. Dont be too harsh coz I cant get hold of lots of decent stuff, pointing me towards some would be much appreciated.
Neo Cortex - Elements
Martillo Vago - Por Que No
Sophie Ellis Bextor - Mixed Up World (dunno whos mix but tis uplifting)
Leigh Green - Lay all your Love (remix of old abba song)
Ian Van Dahl - I Can't Let You Go
Element - Come & Fly With Me (Ultrabeat Mix)
Uproar - The Roof Is On Fire (KB Project Mix)
Eyeopener - Open Your Eyes
Damaged - Plummet
Real Love - Robbie Williams (like sophie ellis bextor)
Wilderness - Jurgen Vries & Shena
Now We Are Free - Gladiator & Izzy
To the Moon and Back - Savage Garden (like other 2, uplifting mixes)
Show Me a Sign - Kontakt
Satellite - Ocean Lab
Cry Little Sister - Lost Brothers & G Tom Mac
Damaged - Plummet (Antillas edit)
Nessaja - Scooter
Groove Coverage - Moonlight Shadow
Looking back quite a few are cheesey, element, eyeopener, kontakt and uproar to name a few. But thats my current playlist. I chop n change and add to whenever I get bored of one or find something new.
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| in all fairness, everywhere has a commercial side ... if you came to the uk you'd find 'special d' and 'scooter', if you went to holland you'd find 'dj tiesto' and 'ferry corsten' and if you went to belgium you'd find 'airwave' and 'm.i.k.e.' - m.i.k.e. is god of non-cheesey trance music but hell be in the top40 over there ...
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| ((-&E-)) wrote: | i feel the reason i like alot of the commercial (hard) dance music i do is because it has a high simularity to happy hardcore...
alot of tunes, like
special d - come with me
scooter - logical song
rezonance q - sweetheart
... all contain the same type of energy and upliftingness that happy hardcore would and thats why i feel i like them so much, especialy when they are speed up a bit
dont get me wrong, alot of commercial cheesy dance is cr@p, but the songs that verge on the HARDER side of it, are good.
and lets not forget where all dance/trance music originated from... HARDCORE !!
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Scooter started as HH, I think, though I have not listened to much of their stuff, then slowly turned commerical. (Erik, Andy: want to comment on that?)
Scooter - Aiii Shot the DJ is a really fun track though, call me what you want, it's a good tune. Def HH in style, complete with a better MC'ing job than usual from this lot.
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| Dexter wrote: | | and this DJs disk I got hold of from Ikon |
.. that be from scott page (fnp) by any chance ??
and Viceroy, scooter did start as happy hardcore and as far as i am aware, they are the ppl that brought HH over to the UK ??
sooo much of the commercial dance at the moment, is just slowed down happy hardcore... its like th artists want to produce HH, but they know they wont make the £££...
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ultrabeat - feeling fine (cj stone mix)
rezonace q - sweetheart (extended rmx)
is you speed these up to 176 bpm (keeping the picth the same), they sound proper fcuking buzzing and just like HH... even top hardcore dj's do this.. i have a set by breeze and styles where they do this
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I dont like the cheese mongers taking hardcore tracks and making covers off them, another thing that gets on my wick.
They should leave them well alone.
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| Quote: | | and Viceroy, scooter did start as happy hardcore and as far as i am aware, they are the ppl that brought HH over to the UK ?? |
Scooter back in the U.K
well Scooter have always been on the commercial line but some of their old happy hardcore tunes is pretty good like Friends or Endless Summer
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I think that the happy hardcore scene feels kinda dead it had it's time back in the days
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| Quote: | | .. dont you mean is good... the hardcore scene is alive and kicking over here.. |
I think that the happy hardcore scene feels kinda dead it had it's time back in the days |
nah.. i feel its deffinatly coming back over here (or atleast i hope it is).... i feel that all the re-releases of the old hardcore traxx has helped... and also now with the hardcore label "raverbaby" working with "AATW".. we should start to see 'hardcore' rmx's on the singles that ultrabeat and rezonace Q are releasing.. also "breeze and styles" will be releasing songs in to the charts threw AATW...
.. hardcore will be back
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| Quote: | | .. dont you mean is good... the hardcore scene is alive and kicking over here.. |
I think that the happy hardcore scene feels kinda dead it had it's time back in the days |
nah.. i feel its deffinatly coming back over here (or atleast i hope it is).... i feel that all the re-releases of the old hardcore traxx has helped... and also now with the hardcore label "raverbaby" working with "AATW".. we should start to see 'hardcore' rmx's on the singles that ultrabeat and rezonace Q are releasing.. also "breeze and styles" will be releasing songs in to the charts threw AATW...
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Definately, even the general public has, I think, become more aware of the original tracks as they heard the new mixes on the radio or whatever. This could definatly draw people back into the scene.
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I am just a bit curious about the general publics definition of "Commercial" Is it something that is worthy of radio play or does it have to do with the actual sound? Is there a commercial sound? I would like to know your thoughts. www.digidisco.com
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i personally feel that music written/produced for 'commercial' gain, in whole or part of, is, well, commercial music.
not all commercial's bad... however, i still prefer underground stuff. fresh from young producers/unknowns and the lot.
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| Aquascape wrote: | | Dexter wrote: | | ...the comment about Groove Coverage not doing trance, I would really class Moonlight Shadow as traance. |
I think I agree with you there, mate.
| Cooler wrote: | | Grovve Coverage is faaaaaaaaar from producing any kind of trance related stuff |
I disagree. It sounds like euro-trance to me. Quite commercial but still trance nevertheless and euro-trance isn't actually THAT far from uplifting or hard, it's just diluted for the teeny boppers. |
IMO Groove Coverage ain't making trance, #1 their typical bassline structure has nothing to do with trance--------> # 2 therefore I would classify their productions as something between euro-dance and dancecore. I think that most Aqualoop releases are classified as that, and Groove Coverage is pretty close to that style!
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| Cooler wrote: | | IMO Groove Coverage ain't making trance, #1 their typical bassline structure has nothing to do with trance--------> # 2 therefore I would classify their productions as something between euro-dance and dancecore. I think that most Aqualoop releases are classified as that, and Groove Coverage is pretty close to that style! |
I still disagree with you that they are far from producing any trance related material and their bassline structures are offbeat which some trance tunes use, but I guess that is because trance and euro-dance do bear some similarities. Ultimately I do agree with you about Groove Coverage being more euro-dance than trance though.
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 2:10 pm |
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